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Complex Numbers #1074060 added July 17, 2024 at 11:35am
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I consciously saved this article from Big Think a while back. There were only a couple of things I had saved from that source; it's random coincidence (operating on a limited set of possibilities) that I got both of them to pop up in the same week. Considering my issues with the last one, which I discussed two days ago, it's just as well that I've cleared my queue of these; I'm not sure this one's much better.
Again, I'm not sure that they're asking the right questions.
How odd is it that these particles and forces fit together so precisely as to enable conscious beings like us to exist? It’s a cutting-edge question, but one that we’re closer than ever to answering definitively.
We're also "closer than ever" to developing usable fusion power. Instead of 20 years away, as we were back in the 1960s, we're now only 19 years away.
Living creatures can be divided into cells; cells themselves are composed of organelles; organelles can be broken down into molecules; molecules are made up of atoms; atoms are comprised of electrons and atomic nuclei; electrons cannot be broken down further, but nuclei themselves consist of quarks and gluons.
As I've noted before, every hard science discipline is, at base, physics.
We should, therefore, be able to take these fundamental constituents of matter — quarks, gluons, and electrons — and assemble them in various ways to explain everything that we encounter in everyday life.
I'm not sure that follows. There are probably things we can never fully explain, but that's a good thing in my book.
The question that inspired that article is quoted within it, and it goes like:
“It has always puzzled me how come the particles & forces in the original quark gluon soup fit precisely to form:
nuclei, and when joined by electrons,
atoms (each with their distinct properties),
countless molecules (each with their distinct properties),
capable of forming life,
which can achieve consciousness,
and ultimately lead to astrophysicists?
This precise “fitting” can hardly be a pure coincidence.”
And that sounds to me like the question of a disingenuous religious person, trying to tie scientists up into a big knot of explanation to try to shore up his (the name is Ottho Heldring, so I'm assuming gender based on that) belief. Maybe I'm wrong about that, but believers have been known to do exactly that, with baseless questions like "if humans evolved from chimps, why are there still chimps?" Which is a question that rests on several false assumptions.
Coincidence or not, if such a history as he briefly described in the question had not taken place, we wouldn't be here to argue about it, now, would we? As I've said before, it doesn't much matter what the odds were after you've won the lottery.
The article itself isn't that long, but it manages to provide a brief history of the physical processes that, ultimately, led to the universe as we knew it, up to and including cats. I won't quote from the meat of it; it's there at the link, and while I have some quibbles, that's going to happen when you take something it requires a PhD to describe (which I definitely don't have) and boil it down to a couple thousand words.
Then, in summary:
But this is not necessarily miraculous. So long as there are a few simple rules and properties to nature:
And a restatement of what I said above:
If the laws of physics were so different that we couldn’t have come into existence, we never would have arisen to find these things out.
Pretty sure both of those are a version of the Anthropic Principle,  which has its own problems because it doesn't really explain anything.
Ultimately, we know that complexity can absolutely arise from simplicity. There's a random element to it, but it's not completely random; it's subject to physical (in the sense of "physics," not "physicality") rules.
And isn't that a more likely hypothesis than complexity arising from even greater complexity? The latter just raises the question of where the "greater complexity" comes from. "It was always there" is deeply unsatisfying, akin to "it's turtles all the way down." |
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